Censorship on Warriors for Hinduism Facebook Group. Pressure from Nithyananda henchmen?
Sadly censorship is becoming a a bigger part of of the world today making it harder and harder to get to the truth. In the absence of true free speech the ones with the power to censor are the ones that control what people believe.One would think that Hindus would want to ensure the nefarious elements within Hinduism are cleaned up to protect the image of Hinduism, especially a group of Hindus that are so active in proclaiming that Christians and Muslims are trying to convert Hindus to their faiths.
But alas, it seems that even these Hindus are too short sighted or too controlled, or perhaps too manipulated and brainwashed to to clean up their own camp. It will result in a perfect opportunity for these alleged Christian and Muslim forces to point the finger at the hypocrisy and protectionism that exists of "Godmen" that abuse followers in many ways including sexual impropriety, harassment and perhaps more with potential witnesses against such Godmen going missing.
In this instance it is the self professed Godman "Nithyananda". Yes the one at the heart of the Ranjitha affair and the now infamous sex sleaze videos.
So just what did the admins of this group Censor?
The post was originally at https://www.facebook.com/groups/402318076769407/permalink/568340833500463/ but of course you will only receive a deleted post message now.
Fortunately my system saves screenshots so I have reconstructed a lot of this here. It will help anyone considering the Nithyananda [sic] group to reconsider if that is the type of person they want to turn into, someone delusional and speaking vile vitriol for their socalled Avatar God, that is not powerful enough to defend himself. He is very impotent, just not completely sexually according to the videos that the Forensic Science Laboratories in India confirm is him and actress Ranjitha in them.
Here is the original post, unfortunately the auto screenshot for it did not work completely and is missing the top portion. A real shame as the writer had nailed it in the post. Note, as you go through these you can click on any of the pictures to view them in higher, and more readable resolution if need be.
The players in the comments:
Pro truth and pro discussion and pro rationality
- Raghavendra - Originator of initial post
- Jesse - ex victim of Nithyananda sanga and victim of his devotees libelous accustations
- Francis - versed in Sanskrit and Vedas
- Bhargav - impartial but looking to find the truth in the matter and willing to realise the deflection of Nithyananda followers to direct questions
Pro ignorance - Unwilling to look at anything except Nithyananda propaganda
- Ishaw - Plays politics and does not call out those specifically hurling vitriol and swearing with ad hominem attacks (ie Nithyananda devotees) against commenters but instead makes it sound like both sides are speaking such vitriol. His comments show him to be pro Nithyananda believing he was made a scapegoat against Hinduism by Christians
- Geeta - long term follower of Nithyananda (since 2003), seems to live in UK but has given her 7 y/o girl to the Nithyananda ashram to raise for the last three years. Proves herself incredibly racist (nameist), and spews vitriol until Ishaw realising it is harming Nithyananda calms her. She shows repeatedly her unwillingness to examine evidence. Projects wildly as she falsely accuses others of doing what she does, eg: abusive speech, refusing to research other sides evidence.
- Ajjay - devotee of Nithyananda [sic] that cannot seem to say anything without vitriol. Believes that there is no problem Nithyananda having (consensual) sex with Ranjitha or anyone else.
- Prashanth - chimes in to support vitriol comments
- Vijaya - chimes in with the logical fallacy that all media in India is owned by the West therefore Nithyananda is not guilty
- Bhairva - defends Nithyananda on basis that he assumes (wrongly as replies to him show) that Nithyananda is simply caught in a Christian conspiracy theory to bring him down
1 - Original Post by Raghavendra Rao - Notice this was liked by 21 people (other than IIRC 2 people that didnt like the post) yet it was still taken down without providing any reasons why!
2 - Jesse concurs with thoughts of Raghavendra's original post
3 - Ishaw attempts to divert the conversation away from the post topic, ie that Nithyananda supporters keep claiming he has been proven innocent when in fact he has not and tries to make it about India being taken over by Christians making Nithyananda a scapegoat.
4 - Geeta - tries to create a strawman by making it sound like questioning Nithyananda is defaming Hindu culture. Makes generalisation fallacy and false assumptions regarding West and regarding originator of post.
5 - Bhargav clearly is looking to find where the truth is in the Nithyananda [sic] situation. Geeta defends her Swami with statements lacking evidence. Jesse brings up about Nithyananda's defense that he could not rape anyone as he claims testosterone level of a 6yo boy, but that this is in contradiction to tests performed as ordered by the Indian Supreme Court and in contradiction to what ones own eyes and ears tell them, that Nithyananda [sic] has a full facial beard and a mans voice not a 6yo childs. Both not possible with a lifelong 6yo testosterone level. Even if a legitimate testosterone blood test is done, if one can "prepare" for it, they can seriously deplete their testosterone levels through low fat diet, heavy exercise, lack of sleep or pharmaceutical methods such as taking an anabolic steroid that is not testosterone based (eg: trenbolone) or other hormones or prohormone products that can seriously imbalance hormone levels in the body. So even if he did not bribe a lab, he could easily have manipulated the tests by such means. Penile blood flow and erection ability can be similarly reduced.
That is why the authorities were no doubt looking at long term indicators of low testosterone such as "organs" size and voice characteristics. Blood hormone tests themselves are notoriously manipulable, long term growth markers are not.
If a blood serum test indicated low testosterone while all other markers were within normal range it would clearly indicate some manipulation at play, either by the lab or the individual. As Nithyanandas obtained tests indicate 12.9ng/dl while the normal male range for the lab (95% of male population) was 400-1200ng/dl it would seem to indicate that Nithyananda went a bit too hard (excuse the pun) on his countermeasures in an attempt to thwart the test. If his testosterone was indeed 12.9ng/dl erectile dysfunction would be the least of his, what would be, very evident problems.
The least radical thing to do would be to simply drop, almost totally, fats from the diet.
Further to that one could deliberately exercise to absolute exhaustion for a few hours every day.
The pharmaceutical approach would be to take a non-testosterone anabolic steroid. For example even a little trenbolone would put your natural testosterone in the toilet.
You could probably accomplish that with some currently available "prohormone" product as well. With a 12.9ng/dl result, my best guess would be that Nithyananda went the pharmaceutical route to manipulate the tests as it is unlikely a competent lab technician with an understanding of reference ranges would have "doctored" the results quite so far to 12.9ng/dl as it would raise too many questions.
The questions on the 6yo testosterone and obvious body indicators, of beard and voice, were ignored by the pro Nithyananda [sic] devotees.
6 - Ajjay jumps in spewing vitriol, anti religious sentiments, ad hominem attacks, deflecting that India is under attack and implying Nithyananda is just a victim. Again zero evidence, just emotional and obviously ignorant rants and accusations. Prashanth chimes in to support the vitriol.
Ajjay supports Nithyananda [sic] having sex with whoever he likes (despite wearing Sanyas attire and taking the pious stance of relinquishing worldly things including handling of money).
Prashanth supports Nithyananda having sex.
Clearly Nithyananda devotees have no idea what it means to be Sanyasi, or dont care!
Tulasi claims the Ranjitha Nithyananda sex sleaze video is false and as evidence that Nithyananda is off scout [sic] free (he obviously means scot-free).
Jesse points out that Nithyananda is not off scot-free. That he was not proven innocent as so many of his followers have been deceived to believe by the Nithyananda propaganda machine, but that the trials are still ongoing, with two set to resume January 2018.
7 - Geeta obviously in delusion about Nithyanandas "powers" assumes that those questioning him have not watched his youtube videos and need to attend (expensive > US$10,000) programs at the ashram to know.
Jesse shows that he already has such experience and the ashram and shares some of those experiences as a result of lies of Nithyanandas sanyasis against him at http://nithyanandafacts.blogspot.com
Geeta calls Jesse an "animal" and condones the lies of the Sanyasis. Ajjay supports this.
Jesse shows that Nithyananda devotees have a warped idea of what attacking or abusing their "swamiji" is. That they think that pointing about obvious truths about him or his followers is abuse or attacking.
8 - Raghavendra highlights the unreasonable costs of the Nithyananda programs just to test out if he is telling the truth and shows it is not necessary when youtube videos are enough to show Nithyanandas claims are false. Such as the Nithyananda flop show video from NDTV where his devotees are supposed to levitate, but they just use their muscles to bounce.
A bit of levitation comic relief can be found in Nithyananda Fraud Exposed - Levitation
Geeta and Ajjay respond with deflections and accusations, but do not even try any legitimate defense of Raghavendras proven claims (with video evidence) by that Nithyananda couldn't make anyone levitate as he claimed.
9 -Geeta accuses (psychological projection) Raghavendra of using false language and fake YouTube links.
Vijaya accuses those in the discussion questioning Nithyananda as not practicing Sanatana Dharma. Claims all media in India belongs to Western countries. Claims Nithyananda does not need to prove he has special powers (despite numerous claims that he does, apparently it is ok to make outlandish claims without evidence for these blind faith devotees). He says Raghavendra is rubbing knowledge in wrong side and to use it wisely.
Raghavendra nicely turns this on him with the question: "Is a person who dresses like a sannyasi and makes money off the unsuspecting public, while having sexual affairs behind closed doors, using his knowledge of Hinduism wisely? Vijaya Ragavan, you need to get your priorities straight"
Ajjay comes in with his usual vulgar speech claiming again that Nithyananda can have sex and that there is nothing that prohibits it. (Of course he avoids the Sanyasi status issue, the rape and unnatural sex charges, and that if Nithyananda is having sex then he is a complete hypocrite and liar as he teaches Bramacheri to be the highest form and claims himself sanyasi and claims himself a virgin)
Raghavendra again makes a nice comment:
"Yes, you can follow whoever you want. You have every right to follow a charlatan. But your beliefs and your following are not Hinduism. You are a heretic because you have chosen to be. And there would be no problem if you and your followers explicitly distanced yourself from 'Hinduism, Vedas, Yoga' and so on.
But you don't.
Instead you shamelessly use these labels to promote your swami's marketing campaigns, fooling innocent people into thinking that he is an heir to authentic Hindu tradition when in fact he is not.
This is only a problem for people with an irrational (sarc) attachment to being truthful."
10 - Ajjay again with the ad hominem attacks "fool liberal Hindus" and creating another strawman claiming Raghavendra is "trying to prove Hinduism is bad", when in fact Raghavendra is trying to clean up Hinduism from the "Nithyanandas" corruptly giving it a bad name.
Jesse shows Ajjay is again deflecting and shows five reasons why Nithyananda and his devotees are NOT following Sanatana Dharma.
11 - Jesse shows Ajjays claim of "defending Hinduism" is plainly not true. Ajjay is instead defending a corruption of Hinduism, ie Nithyananda and adulterated teachings and conduct.
12 - Raghavendra affirms Jesses comments and states that Nithyananda is not Vedic. Jesse shows that what his Sanyasis do is what lying actually is and refers them to http://nithyanandafacts.blogspot.com
Geeta makes Shiva sound like a weak little baby that needs humans to defend him. She projects again on the need to educate oneself, when she repeatedly refuses to educate herself on anything but pro Nithyananda propaganda and lies.
Jesse refers to Nithyanandas lie of calling himself the 293rd Pontiff that the Madras High Court recognised as a contradiction and a lie as revealed in Madras High Court slams 'godman' Nithyananda for giving false information .
Jesse again highlights the 6yo testosterone claims obvious contradictions and the infamous sex contract in Tantric Contract with the Devil, a.k.a. Fraud-God Nithyananda, License for Sex.
13 - Geeta makes a veiled threat based on the "power" of the Avatar.
Jesse shows how impotent this "Avatar" actually is and brings up that Vinay seems to have been framed for the pedophilia charges by a girl who stated that "she would lie for her swamiji" and that Karnataka human rights considers this a human rights violation of Vinay.
Geeta accuses Jesse of not doing research, again psychologically projecting as she has not investigated her beliefs based on the Nithyananda propaganda. An example of such a false belief is the oft touted claim by them that Sun TV CEO Saxena admitted that the sex sleaze video was morphed. Nothing could be further from the truth. See the article Sun TV CEO Saxena & Ayyappan did NOT say they morphed the Video - More Nithyananda NithyLies
Jesse then indicates it is not the Christian missionaries brainwashing people, but Nithyananda who uses a number of classic brainwashing techniques on the course participants.
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15 - Ajjay again attempts to deflect from the issues of Nithyananda as by not there is a massively growing list of issues that the Nithyananda proponents have ignored. He does so with a challenge to Raghavendra who wisely dismisses it and brings it back to some of the aforementioned issues such as the failure of Nithyananda to levitate people.
16 - Jesse points out that the devotees such as Geeta that are promoting the lies against the witness in the criminal charges cases against Nithyananda, Aarthi Rao, are accumulating bad karma for themselves. He then shows that the ashram is not a safe place as claimed and provides the accounts in http://nithyanandafacts.blogspot.com
He then again refers to the infamous sex contract which is shown amongst a number of contracts of the Nithyananda organisation here https://www.reddit.com/r/NithyanandaCult/comments/7mz87u/all_the_different_legal_documents_one_must_agree/
17 - Geeta falsely accuses Francis again of being a Christian and uses vitriol to do so. She shows her racism again by telling him to get out of her country and uses more vulgarities and vitriol. She had hid behind being a woman and hypocritically called Francis a rapist abusing women. Inferring that Francis very legitimate and non-vitriolic comments are abusing her.
Francis turns this back to reality of it being Nithyananda who as criminally charged is abusing women (and men). He rightly calls out her comments as offensive and racist.
Geeta then responds by accusing Aarthi Rao, a principal witness in the case against Nithyananda and victim of his sexual and other abuse and harassment and threats, of taking advantage of being a woman.
She then uses as evidence that Nithyananda is not abusing any women that she has given her 7 year daughter to him for 3 years. That is like saying, I and my child were not killed by Jack the Ripper even though he did surgery on us, therefore he is not a murder. It is a logical fallacy.
Jesse takes issue with Geetas comment that there is "no safe place on Earth than the ashram" and again links to his experience and safety issues he brought up while at the ashram that were ignored, which includes the crushing of two adheenavasis under a 1 tonne statue of Dhurga Devi and a class of people forced to wade through water for hours with high voltage electrical cables running through it, and links to http://nithyanandafacts.blogspot.com
He then points out the blatant psychological projection being exhibited by the Nithyananda devotees. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection
18 - Ajjay comes back with more racist vitriol and racist religious exclusivity views of Hinduism. He generalises again against Chrisianity and makes numerous erroneous or more realistically, lying, statements .
Pro Nithyananda Ishaw comes back again and tells "Friends" not to use profanity and use constructive and acceptable language. He requests "both sides" to stop throwing stones at each other and instead strengthen Hinduism.
What Ishaw is doing is incredibly biased. Anyone that has read this far can see that it is the Nithyananda followers that are not being constructive and that are using profanity. He still misses the point that having fake babas that are manipulating people, extorting money, engaged in immoral and illegal activities, claiming to give "sex for enlightenment" are damaging Hinduism and that the ones in the comments that are not pro-Nithyananda are trying to strengthen Hinduism by removing this festering rot of false babas and drawing attention to the real evidence.
Jesse points some of this out to him, and it is ignored once again by him.
19 -Jesse deals with Ajjays ad hominem attacks, vitriol and strawman arguments again as moderators on the forum seem to be happy to let this Nithyananda devotee continue his vitriol.
20 - Geeta takes issue with Nithyananda Yoga pictures that Jesse has used in the past on his facebook account then launches into a name based attack showing again her racism and blatantly stating that one cant be Hindu unless they have a Sanskrit name. Jesse clarifies the position of a seeker and shows Ajjay that he is only interested in discussing the topic of the thread with him, not his tangents and only if he desists from his ad hominem attacks, vitriol, deflections and vulgar speech.
21 - Jesse responds to Geetas issue of Nithyananda Yoga in previous profile pictures as he attended Yogitva in 2017. He exposes Geetas racsim and asks some questions about this that Geeta later deflects from.
22 - Jesse exposes Geetas deflections from his questions regarding her beliefs that only one with a Sanskrit name can be a Hindu and shows that names in other languages have meaning also. He responds to her allegation that it is sad I no longer follower Nithyananda. And brings attention to a some of references of Nithyanandas sex contract which would have been during the time of Geetas involvement with the ashram.
- Nithyananda Tries to Keep His Fraud to Himself - Removes Our Video for 12 Hours
- Tantric sex, condoms, video: Why the Swami Nithyananda-Ranjitha scandal is unforgettable
- Condoms, drugs and secret contracts... the story of why Nithyananda is in trouble
- Download Nithyananda's Original Tantric Sex Contract Now
Jesse then exposes what she is really doing "Aaaannd with that ad-hominem attack you justify to yourself that you don't need to research the evidence provided and can thus comfortably remain in your cognitive dissonance."
In later reflection it is likely that the reason for Geetas brief insulting response is that as the sex contract was circa 2005 and she was with Nithyananda from 2003, and deflected from any questions regarding her awareness of the sex contract, that her feigned laughter was a nervous attempt to cover that she actually has some first hand knowledge of the sex contract.
As such he provides her with another evidence of Nithyanandas lies. That of Nithyanandas claims of being the 293rd Pontiff of Madurai Mutt when as the High Court declared "How can this be when the 292nd Pontiff is still alive" and requested Nithyananda to withdraw using this as part of his "evidence".
Read Madras High Court slams 'godman' Nithyananda for giving false information
23 -Geeta tries to deflect again and say that the Madurai Mutt article is old news of 2012, clearly proving she did not even open the article as it is obvious that it is referring to October 2017. She then goes onto the defensive about there possibly being drugs in the food. In light of her prior deflections and evasiveness and especially as an ex follower of Nithyananda has revealed for me that he was aware of at least one instance of a tablespoon of some unknown white powder required to be put into the supposedly pure sattvic lemonade made from lemon juice, it makes one wonder if she knows more than she is revealing.
Jesse asks several more questions due to her obvious lack of research and profound ignorance.
24 - As Jesse had mentioned Aarthi Rao, Geeta immediately jumps into paranoia mode and attempts to link him with morphing the Nithyananda Ranjitha video.
For further information one of the claims of the Nithyananda organisation in this regard is proven false Sun TV CEO Saxena & Ayyappan did NOT say they morphed the Video - More Nithyananda NithyLies
Jesse had already mentioned Ma Nithya Gopika, a personal assistant to Nithyananda in 2010, going missing. Instead of showing any concern for this lady she denies her existance and then refers to a Ma Manishananda going missing and blames Aarthi Rao for this. She alleges that this mysterious person Ma Manishananda gave a statement that Aarthi Rao is a prostitute (she never was, she was a qualified Engineer earning good money for India).
Jesse brings out that it is interesting that an Internet search for Ma Manishananda turns up nothing so the Nithyananda organisation with its tens of millions of US dollars doesnt seem to interesting in finding this (possibly fictitious) person.
Whereas the extremely underfunded and few people exposing Nithyananda certainly have tried to find Ma Nithya Gopika and registered police reports and put out blog posts in an attempt to seek information of her whereabouts to provide police.
- God Fraud's Missing Link, Nithyananda Gopika
- Nithyananda's Sex Fraud Exposed, Nithyananda on (top of) Ranjita / Ranjitha
- Respecting the Victims of Nithyananda, the Fraud-God, & His Cult
Ma Nithya Gopika is missing since 2010. Perhaps Geeta knows what has happened to her and that is why she is denying all knowledge of her!
The court document I refer to is on the Nithyananda site at:
IN THE COURT OF THE CHIEF METROPOLITAN MAGISTRATE AT BANGALORE, BANGALORE DISTRICT PRIVATE COMPLAINT No 5577/2012
25 - Bhargav makes some astute inquiry to Geeta and requests if she is sure that Nithyananda did not have a sexual relationship with Ranjitha?
Geeta deflects from this and uses logical fallacies in her responses.
It is interesting that all of the other Nithyananda followers in the thread have indicated their approval of Nithyananda having sex. Thus Geetas deflection is interesting, especially as Nithyananda has allegedly had a phone conversation with Lenin/Sri Dharmananda where he clearly admits to the sex and discusses why there should be nothing wrong with him having sex with Ranjitha.
26 - Jesse gives some further information for Bhargav to check out that exposes Nithyanandas lies.
27 - Francis makes a legitimate comment about Nithyanandas disciples going insane due their comments in this thread. They ranted, deflected, used vitriol and truly showed the calibre of ones following Nithyananda thus exposing him. They are the fruits of the Nithyananda tree evidently. Geeta seems to think that as she is a woman she can hurl all sorts of insults and vulgarities but when someone makes an apt comment that his disciples are going insane, based largely on her comments, she accuses him of being a woman abuser. Women like this are sickening.
Francis then makes an very relevant statement, especially as this entire post and all comments have now been removed from Warriors of Hinduism:
"Why is Warriors of Hinduism playing host to these threatening cults?"
28 - Francis makes another comment that they are idiots. True, but unnecessary and not helpful to the discussion. Anyone that reads the thread can see the truth of the comment. However, this and his comment that they are boring and lame dogs were pointed out to him that they were not constructive. Francis quickly acknowledged this and desisted from any further such comments, despite a plethora of much much worse vitriol from the Nithyananda followers.
29 - Ajjay, still deflecting keeps insisting that Francis advises what god he follows. Francis declares his guru is Bhagawan Nityananda and that he is especially offended by what Nithyananda is doing as he is insulting this sacred name.
Vishal makes a statement which was made by Indhira Ghandi and Vivekananda "Charlatans, superstition, and fake baba: classic problem of India" and later declared that Modi reiterated these words showing the classic problem is still occurring.
So very true. And Sri Nithyananda Swami [sic] is evidently amongst these.
Gheeta lashes out again and claims she is only following Sanatana Dharma but as Francis points out she obviously has no concept of what it is and is following paap which seems to shock Gheeta. Again anyone reading this thread properly can see that.
30 - Ishaw again refuses to acknowledge where the real vulgarities and inappropriate language is being used by the Nithyananda followers.
31 - Geeta tells us she is not a short term volunteer but has been associated since 2003. The plot thickens as it means she was already in place at the time of the sex contracts.
Jesse asks if she was invited to be part of the "Learning from the Master" program (which required the sex contract), but she suspiciously deflects.
Jesse again expresses the concern for missing Ma Nithya Gopika and shows that she was also missed by Nithyananda sex victim and witness against him, Aarthi Rao and links to the enlightening interview with her: Nityananda Rape Case - Aarthi Rao English Interview
32 - Bhairva states without any evidence that Nithyananda Episode was orchestrated by Missionaries. He then patronises by saying that English speakers especially will have difficulty studying it.
However, he is unable to answer Jesses replies which show the absurdity of blaming Christians for the Nithyananda Episode.
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This has always been the Nithyananda follows modus operandi - throw so-called curses and just use the most nasty language possible. Not one iota of ability to hold a genuine conversation that has any intellectual value anywhere. They fear doing any actual research
ReplyDeleteand choose to blindly eat hook line and sinker the spin teams lies and fantasies about his
"innocence". The other convenient nonsense is claiming that it's christians that are just
trying to discredit hinduism. No it's charlatan Guru's that are making a blight of genuine
hinduism. All that can be done is to continue to stand for Truth and close the ears to the
whining vitriolic hatred of those who are following a cult persona. One day they will have
to face the Truth of the situation. May that day come soon and may they find a genuine path forward.